French MBA report (HEC MBA '96-'98)

Dear potential excellent HEC MBA students:

Based on Naoki's personal experience at HEC school of management in France, this report was written mostly in 1998. The HEC MBA program, former HEC ISA, however, has been dramatically changed after 2000. In line with this, the information shown below was true before 1998, but it is partly no longer true now. I still hope that my essay would be helpful for your information, but I strongly recommend you to gather the latest facts of HEC by contacting HEC directly or by visiting the HEC official web site
(http://www.hec.fr/) at your own risk, especially before you decide to submit your application form to HEC. As one of the alumni of HEC MBA (ISA), I highly appreciate all the efforts made by HEC MBA staff to improve the program better and better.

According to the Web information, the main change I know is as follows.
 1. The main language on campus has been changed from French to English after 1999.
 2. For English proficiency test, TOEFL (CBT) 250 or (Paper) 600 or TOEIC 800 is the minimum line. No GMAT minimum scores.
 3. More than 70% of students are not French. Before 1998, 70% of students were French.
 4. Now HEC MBA program consists of two parts: Compulsory courses (CIMP) 8 months and Electives or Exchange 8 months =16 months.
 5. Students are allowed to enter HEC MBA in September or January.
 6. Tuition was increased by 30,000 Euros.
A part of this report is carried on "Nikkei Net" of Japan in November 2002.
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I am sorry, but the site is written in Japanese only.

The day I was assigned
French education and MBA
Profiling French MBA schools
Admission tests
HEC MBA (ISA), as a business school
Courses and language
My pressures

Exams, scores, and diploma
Who is competent to get MBA in France?


The day I was assigned


In January 1995, the personnel who passed in the in-house selections to study abroad was gathered in a meeting room of the Tokyo Headquarters of an Information Technology company, and was given a piece of paper. My colleagues and I were listed on it, for me, just stated "Naoki, France, MBA". This meant I would be dispatched to obtain MBA in France for two years with my company's scholarship including living expenses.

I was very happy to succeed in the very tough selection (top 1.65%), but I didn't understand why I was selected and why I was assigned to study in France, not in the US. I just visited France in 1989 for pleasure. I studied French for two years, but earned only 12 credits (6 courses) as my culture, not as my major nor minor. I did not graduated from a faculty of a foreign language or a foreign literature. No foreign educational background in childhood and no experience to study in a foreign college. I don't know France very well. My score of TOEIC * in 1989 when I joined the company was 560 (average). We have more sophisticated or educated personnel in my company. I was very embarrassed whether an ordinary Japanese salaried (office) worker, like myself, can earn MBA in France?

*TOEIC: Test Of English for International Communications (by ETS, Min. score 10 - Max 990)
*MBA: Master of Business Administration
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French education and MBA


The real elites of France are easily succeeded in Baccalaureat, French college admission test, because the pass ratio was 77.1% in 1997. They do not go to ordinary national colleges, including Sorbonne, but enter preparation classes in famous high schools. After one or two year hard study, only 0.19% or 1/500 of same age can enter top 20* grandes ecoles. The alumni of grandes ecoles have been establishing the ruling class of Modern France.

By the way, in Europe, much different from the US or Japan, it is difficult to be promoted higher if you have diploma of Bachelor of Science (B.S.) or Master of Science (M.S.) only because they think that scientific abilities are different from managerial skills. By this reason, MBA could be very good educational background to show how you understand management.

Therefore, French MBA schools are fulfilled with the persons who did not succeed in the entrance examinations, the persons who only earned B.S. or M.S., or foreign students.

*For example,
Ecole Nationale d'Adninistration (ENA)
Ecole Normale Superieure (ENS)
Ecole Polytechnique
Ecole Nationale des Ponts et Chaussees
Ecole Speciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr-Coetquidan
Ecole des Hautes Etudes Commerciales (HEC)
Conservatoire National Superieur de Musique
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Profiling French MBA schools


In France, they have a lot of MBA programs. However, it is difficult to be located on a straight line. We should consider private or independence (no national), languages, generalist oriented or specialist, type of diploma and so on. If I could recognize that the US business schools looks like Everest shape with the topping of Harvard, I also describe that French ones have twin or more peaks. What I would like to emphasize is Top 10 or 20 MBAs in US magazines is meaningless in France.

(No objective data. Just personal images from entrance exams I experienced.)

*EAP: Ecole Europeenne des Affaires
*ENPC-MIB: Ecole Nationale des Ponts et Chaussees - Master in International Business
*ESSEC: Ecole Superieure des Sciences Economiques et Commerciales
*HEC: Ecole des Hautes Etudes Commerciales
*ISA: Institut Superieur des Affaires
*MS: Masteres Specialises


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Admission tests


Admission tests of French Business school are usually divided into two parts like American MBA; 1. TOEFL, GMAT and Essay, 2. Interview test. I took six schools; HEC-MBA (ISA), HEC-MS, ENPC-MIB, EAP, European University, CIAM*. My TOEFL score was 600 and GMAT was 620. Because CIAM and HEC-MBA (ISA) share same Japan admission office, I quit CIAM after I passed HEC-MBA (ISA). Rests of four were also successfully admitted, so that I decided to enter HEC-MBA (ISA). The reasons are;

1. HEC-MBA (ISA) is one of the top European MBA schools.

2. English and French bilingual program (not exist in the US nor Japan)

3. French based MBA, not just international

4. My senior and friend have already entered HEC-MBA (ISA) and they strongly recommend it.

5. Japanese Rep. Office supported me from A to Z. Special thanks to Ms. OOTAGAKI.

*CIAM: Centre International d'Admission aux Etudes de Management

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HEC-MBA (ISA), as a business school


Group HEC consists of mainly three schools and several institutions. Three schools are; HEC-HEC (grands ecoles, the diploma is M.A.*), HEC-MBA (ISA) (MBA), HEC-MS (M.A.).

*M.A.: Master of Arts

Address
1, rue de la Liberation 78351 Jouy-en-Josas cedex France (23 km south-west of Paris/near Versailles)
Contact
Tel: +33(1)3967-7420, Fax: +33(1)3967-7394, http://www.hec.fr/
Diploma
MBA (Diploma de Superieur des Affaires)
Duration
16 months / full time
Language
English and French
Students
118 students (graduated in 1997)
Gender
Male 73%, Female 27%
Average age
29 (1997)
Nationality
France 68%, Other EWE 16%, Asia 8% South-North America 4%(1997)
France 30%, Others 70% (2002)
Educational background
Engineering 34%, Economics/Management 26%, Humanities 14%, Science 12%
Job experience
Yes 93%; 69% of them has four or more year professional experience
Average GMAT score
620 (1997)
Employment
Consulting 15.4%, Information Technology 13.2%, Financial institutions 11%
Professors
106 (as Group HEC), plus 30 Visiting Professors
Tuition
125,000 FF (US$ 25,000) / 16 months(1996)
30,000 Euros (2002)
Japan Rep. Office
Bldg. 6F, 3-9-25 Ebis, Shibuya-ku-, Tokyo 150-0013 Japan TEL: +81(3)5475-5005 / FAX: +81(3)5475-5006 E-mail: hecjapon@tkk.att.ne.jp

HEC-MBA (ISA) building
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Courses and languages


If you enter HEC-MBA (ISA) in a year of September, you must take same courses as assigned. Student office says this is Core International Management Programme: CIMP. After CIMP, you are almost free to choose elective courses (Programme Personnalise) from among 86 (1997). Filiere is one of the electives that let you study in a special area, for example, Finance Intenationale, or Entreprendre (all Filiere were given in French in 1997). From September of the second year, you have a chance to go to study abroad as an exchange student.

In terms of language, from September to December of the first year, you will be assigned in an English only class or a French only class, according to your language ability and choice of application. If you go to English class, class discussion, presentation, or written examination is conducted in English. However, from January, both English and French are mixed. In 2000, however, French course would be abolished and English course and English/French course would be established instead. In 1997, January start class was established and from the beginning both English and French are mixed.

HEC-MBA (ISA) consider that group work is one of the most important part of studying process because international communication ability would be improved very much. Group members are assigned by the Student office twice and they discuss, write, or present same subjects for several months. This experience is tough but wonderful, because group member's nationality, gender, educational background, or professional experience are complexly different.

From September to December,1996 (CIMP)
Course
Language
Hours
Credits
My grades

Accounting and Financial Management

English
37.5
2
4

Marketing

English
36
2
3

Micro-Economics

English
12
0.5
3

International Macroeconomics

English
28.5
1
4

Statistics

English
9.5
1
3

Introduction to Law / Corporate Law

English
16.5
1
3

Basic Principles of US Tax Law

English
12
0.5
3

Comparative Taxation

English
12
0.5
3

Francaise (as a language class)

French
18
1
4

From January to July, 1997 (CIMP)
Course
Language
Hours
Credits
My grades

Management Accountong and Control

English
34.5
2
3

Management & Organizational Theory (Organizational Behavior)

English
22.5
1
4

Management Industriel

French
22.5
1
4

Corporate Finance

English
30
2
3

Human Resource Management

English
16.5
1
3

Strategic Management

English
67.5
2
4

Dimension Financiere des Decisions Strategiques

French
10
1
4

Activite Pluridisciplinaire (Moulinex Seminar)

French
24
1
4

Francaise

French
18
1
4

From May 1997 to the graduation (All are electives I chose)
Course
Language
Hours
Credits
My grades

Organisation Dynamique d'une Force de Vente

French
13
1
4

Intellectual Foundations of Management

English
18
1
4

The Emergence of Asian Countries

English
18
1
5

Reengineering and Corporate Transformation

English
18
1
3

Economics of Post-communism

English
18
1
4

La Chine

French
20
1
4

Francaise

French
18
1
4

International Perspectives in Executive Power and Negotiation

English
18
1
3

Negotiation and Created Agreement

English
16
1
5

Management of Change

English
21
1
4

Game Theory in Practice

English
18
1
5

Value Co-production

English
17
1
3

Mode de Pense Asiatique

French
18
1
3

Etude de Recherche

English
Thesis
1
5

Seminaire Pluridisciplinaire

French
19.5
1
4
 

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My pressures

I felt pressure most in the 16 months in the first four months, September to December, 1996. In this term, we used English only (I don't speak French at all), but we had classes from 8 am to 6 pm every weekday. Almost every evening, usually after diner to midnight (the worst was to 2 a.m.), we had to something by the assigned group. After group work, I must prepare tomorrow's class at home. When can I sleep? In December, we had term-end eight examinations. Sometimes I said it's all over!


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Exams, scores, and diploma
Achievement would be scored by one to five absolute scale. Five is best. Scores are noticed to himself/herself only. No severe score competition against students occurred. If the number of score one or two is less than two, everybody earns MBA diploma without any conditions. I have only two comments on my scores.

1. The bottom was the first four months. Scores were getting better.

In my analysis, this facts came from both I became accustomed to French (HEC-MBA (ISA)) system and my English and French ability were improved gradually. This complex leads to more efficient output and brings me more positive action in class and group work. Therefore, average score has been improved.

September to December 1996 (CIMP: average score)

3.32

January to July 1997 (CIMP: average score)

3.67

Electives (average score)

4.00

2. Better scores on classes in French than in English.

This seems strange because my French language ability (a beginner, just say hello) is obviously inferior to English (TOEFL 600 / TOEIC 905). However, I always prepared more when I have a class in French than in a class in English. Even though I could not speak anything in a class in French, I understood 60-70% of contents. Also, we are allowed to answer questions both in English and in French. The key is understanding. Language is my least concern.

Classes in English (average score)

3.31

Classes in French (average score)

4.00

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Who is competent to get MBA in France?


Let me explain who is qualified to obtain MBA in France here.

If you think seriously to do so, the first concern could be French language ability. However, according to my analysis of scores during 16 months in HEC-MBA (ISA), if you speak fluently English or French, it's OK. Fluent English means, in my opinion, native English speaker, or non-native who achieves TOEIC 875 or TOEFL 600 or more. In French, maybe something like that. If both English and French ability are below, you would suffer from time management because you must share your precious time in HEC-MBA (ISA) for language proficiency improvement. Of course, I suffered because my TOEIC was 905 (top 3%) and TOEFL was 600, but I was just beginner in French at the age of 30!

In terms of mental aspect, a person who has already resistance to strongly stressful life and has a competitive spirit because French culture is very unique, much different from American one. Therefore, many foreign students are usually not prepared the culture shock they encounter in France. Also, if you do not speak well French, the shock will be doubled. For example, Japanese expatriates in Paris need more mental care than other European cities, like London or Dusseldorf*.

Especially, you may not stand French style egoism that comes from their concern about their benefit or interest. It often occurs that French don't see beam in trier own eye and they attack on us, even we don't speak French well. It is not fair. As for me, we should express our anger by throwing documents against floor, speaking Japanese, Korean, Chinese and so on, if the case is completely unreasonable for us. I did twice during my stay in France. French were very surprised because I have been silent Japanese. Other effect is that you may obtain unexpected compromise from them and above all it is good for your mental care. If you can do it without hesitation, you are qualified to earn MBA in France. Of course, you are not recommended to do so many times because you may loose your confidence in a community. Situation and timing should be analyzed carefully.

Also, French people sometimes shows strange behavior for Japanese or other country persons. For example, 15 minute late means "on time", most French washes his/her car once a year, they prefer to hook a bill on a wall, and they wash their hair once a week. Also, much different from Americans, they don't say hello to foreigners at least 6 months from encounter, and sometimes they run high and down even in a day. However, we should understand French culture, if you plan to stay long in France. To accept them tolerantly or not is up to you. Anyway, serious, honest, or punctilious persons may easily get depressed.

*"The syndrome of Paris" Dr. OOTA Hiroaki, Travel Journal press, 1991 (written in Japanese)


P. S. Allow me to apologize for my pessimistic report on HEC and French life. I had thought of writing my honest feeling but did not intend to disappoint future excellent HEC students. I understand my experience in France was very limited and unique so that it is difficult to say France is good or bad. However, one of main purposes was to report the real life in France, both positive and negative, to the Japanese who tends to overlook negative side of France because most of them like France very much. Don't worry. Just do it!


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Revised on September 24, 2007.